This video is for educational purposes and discussion only. As of now, the downside with the .300 HAMR is that ammunition options are significantly less than with the .300 Blackout. This is a very odd cartridge for me. The information provided here does not represent the views of Cheaper Than Dirt! His son Ryan suggested reusing HAMR, a perfect double entendre for a pig-hunting round. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. But I cant launch as heavy of a round from it as I can the 30-30 or the 300 Hamr, and I cant launch a 130gr round as fast as I can from the 300 Hamr either. Its accurate, reliable, and effective. it shoots 130gr bullets at 2550FPS It made some waves and still has a following, but, with apologies to Jim Morrison, it just couldnt break on through to the other side. However, about 10 years later another cartridge did. What photo appears inverted? Wilson Combat's new .300 HAM'R is to the .300 Blackout (BLK) what the .300 Win. It cant replace Blackout as a subsonic, but its dang sure replaced for me otherwise. I dont think its a claim that the Barnes will shoot a 110gr at 2400FPS. I usually just pin them through the shoulders, but when I saw the terrain, I understood why. Just another worthless development, like so many others. Among the most popular have been loads for the AK/AKM47 chambered in 7.6239 and the AR-15 chambered in 300 AACBlackout. A lightweight AR-15 delivering sub MOA accuracy gets 5 stars. Max load: 24.8gr H CFEBLK Millions of hunters have counted on it to bring down game for over a century, mostly in lever-action rifles. 300 HAM'R vs 6.8 vs .308 Wilson has developed the 300 HAMR for shooting supersonic loads in an AR-15 sized platform. Is the shoulder different? He had determined Barnes TSX bullets designed for the 6.8 were most effective on pigs, especially big boars, and 110-grain TSXs worked very well on the sizeable black-and-white boar I shot that. Just getting caught in a storm can take hours to dry and oil. Been shooting nothing but the 300 HAMR for whitetail this season. you can convert a 5.56 casing for it but should not load max pressure . It cost $500 and shoots 7.6239 at .20 cents a round. As manufacturers get a handle on the current ammunition situation, you can expect more loads from more manufacturers to follow. Sighted-in 1.5 inches high at 100 yards, the bullet lands 1.5 inches below point of aim at 200, and 6 inches down at 250. Controlled Chaos out of an 18-inch barrel at 2440 feet per seco. I guess that is marketing. I see no benefit over the .300 if sticking with 110s (and subs I suppose), but if you want to shoot 130s, the performance is definitely better. 300 HAMR closely matches good old .30-30 Winchester, and that was Bill Wilsons goal. How much is Wilson paying you guys for this piece? "promising" is the key word. The Bill Wilson Ranch rifle is sold as Bill carries it, and as I hunted with it, including the optics and rings. Agreed, the 300 HAMR has basically opened the hunting world to a new level. I had my camera out and ready to catch it. Maybe we can convince the Russians to adopt it so it becomes cheap and plentiful. If we use the Colorado Parks and Wildlife guide for midrange elk calibers, we see they recommend at least 2,000ft/lbs delivered for a quartering toward shot. The 1:15 rifling twist of the barrel easily handled a variety of bullets from 110 to 150 grains, including the (1) Sierra 110-grain HP, (2) Lehigh Defense 110 Controlled Chaos, (3) Sierra 125 ProHunter HP, (4) Nosler 125 AccuBond, (5) Speer 130 Hot-Cor FN, (6) Hornady 130 Spire Point, (7) Hornady 150 InterLock RN and the (8) Speer 150-grain Hot-Cor FN. If you want to fire a subsonic .30 caliber round from an AR-pattern rifle, the 300 Blackout is infinitely superior. NOTE: The 300 HAMR is designed to use 110-150gr bullets at supersonic velocity and is NOT suitable for heavy bullet sub-sonic use. It sounds great, I cant wait. The 300 HAM'R is a cartridge designed by Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat and it is made for hunting. Overall * * * * * I almost bought/built a .300 BLK upper last year but got distracted. So, the only thing needed to convert 300 BO to the Hamr is the barrel, correct? But only when were talking supersonic ammunition. Uh, I get ~2200fps from 125's in .300BLK w/16"bbl., (damn near that from an 8.5" as well). It turned out he had actually considered naming the new round the .30-30 AR, but as a good friend pointed out, Only us old guys know and care much about the old thutty-thutty! (Apparently I qualify as one of those old guys.) Even uppers alone are $1200+. Nothing satisfied him, so being the industrious fellow he is, Bill decided to create his own. But elk are big. Tests of the (left to right): Lehigh 110-grain Controlled Chaos, Nosler 125-grain AccuBond and the Hornady 150-grain InterLock RN in dry newspaper indicated all three will penetrate well on pigs. You dont say what youre comparing exactly but it looks like 300 HamR vs 308win? Suppressed the 300 HAMR is not overly harsh on the ears. However, the other two bullets also performed very well, as I expected after field experience with both. The big issue with the 30-30 performance in an AR goal is the platform itself. So while the .300 HAMR is not a long-range hunting round, it works beyond woods ranges.. I know nothing of either. Last edited: Nov 30, 2020. Its brass , you throw away the powder, primer & bullet to use brass again! But what about on game (and not just thin skinned deer)? Wilson Combat recently introduced another tool for feral pig hunting, AR-15s chambered for its new .300 HAMR cartridge, essentially an elongated version of the .300 Blackout. Youre about 20 years behind the times. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. I like everything but the price tag. Those same folks will miss at 400yds, but I digress. I love the round. Please be respectful of others. But considering it will fire a 130gr round faster than Barnes claims they can fire a 110gr round, youll see the advantage is significant. As the Valkyrie is a necked down 6.8SPC, which has the 30 Remington as a parent case Has an COL of 2.260 inches, so it functions in an AR-15 magazine. 1800FPS is the general minimum for hunting bullets to expand. drop an ar in the same puddle and it will continue to function. Seekins Precision will also be making AR-15s and barrels in .300 HAMR. of energy. I have a lower i have been building and now know what it is going to be. I killed a large doe and several hogs with it this past week. 110gr Lehigh CC #05-308-110-CUSP (our partners at Lehigh Defense designed this bullet specifically for the 300 HAMR to provide extreme accuracy and deadly terminal performance) Really in the end the only thing that matters is the prey dies. Can these rounds be shot in a .300 Blackout. 2. AR, and Wilson started getting the terminal performance on game that he was after. As I was not the only incredulous writer on hand to review the new chambering and the guns that fire it, Bill offered an impromptu demonstration. Id bet my life or my hunt on these guns. The 300 Hamr wasnt designed to fire a subsonic round. Wilson Combat= Bragging rights. 110gr Barnes TSX #30835 Good brush and cover gun. i guess ill just run down to the local gun store and grab some 30 apache ammo . so why would you say it took 10 years to come up with this cartridge when its been around for 40 years here??? While the suppressor muffled the report, the rest of the pigs immediately ran for the nearest brush due to hearing the rifles action cycling. Start load: 23.8gr H CFEBLK It is a loser at everything, a winner at nothing. so you chronographed a match grade round in.300 blackout against a max effort round of .300 hamr of course the .300 blackout is going to be slower most but not all know match grade rounds are NOT loaded to max velocity because max velocity is usually NOT as accurate. WARNING: Due to barrel bore dimension variations and powder lot differences WILSON COMBAT strongly recommends the use of a chronograph to work up loads in excess of the starting loads. Caliber Comparison: 300 Win Mag vs 308 Win - Gun News Daily The .300 Ham'r has noticeable velocity and energy advantages over factory .300 Blackout rounds at the muzzle. Ive been testing it for 2 months now. It had a very cool name, it worked well in the AR-15, it fired a .30-caliber bullet, and it delivered decent supersonic performance. Wilson Combat 12 M-LOK Rail with Three Wilson Combat Rail Covers, Green It has since become my rifle for beyond 150 yards and 200 pounds exclusively for large pigs. If you would like to save a whole lot of pennies, you can find the 300 Hamr upper receivers ready for purchase on the Wilson Combat website. 2200FPS with the Barnes 110 (again, 8.5 barrel) has GREATER energy at any range, than the 300gr .44 Mag max load shown on Hodgdons site. In WA a 4+ barrel and not rimfire/.240+ diameter is legal for all big game. If you ever wanted to own Bill Wilson's the Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat, that is favorite hunting cartridge . With either Blackout or 300 HAMR, look at the rounds loaded into a magazine box and see that the larger diameter bullet in the shorter case sits down lower, nearer to the follower ridge. of energy. Both will do an excellent job of doing what they were designed for. In a far more polite way, he replied, Duh, suggesting I read the background information. can you shoot the 300 hamr in a 300 blackout upper? I've seen plenty of 16" 300 blk builds for sale at shops. Yeah, but its not. Ugh another caliber for the AR. On paper, on target, and on the chrono, the 300 Hamr performs just as well if not better than the .30-30. Redding also makes dies, and along with the Wilson ammunition, the Hunting Shack in Montana also makes HSM .300 HAMR loads with Sierra 135- and 150-grain bullets. The .300 Blackout uses a much shorter (1.368-inch) case compared to the HAMRs 1.603-inch case. Armor-Tuff Finish applied over Mil-Spec Hard Anodized Upper/Lower Receivers (Green/Black Standard Forest Camo Optional) As was already mentioned earlier, it's pretty hard to best 300BLK in sub 10" barrels. I cant find it now, but something about a a 400FPS advantage, when it was really about 200FPS when compared fairly. Bills East Texas ranch is usually packed full of hogs, and a few of them are worthy of putting the round to the test. Do not exceed the highest velocity listed for any load and do not substitute any other component for those listed. Recoil is virtually non-existent. The 300 Ham'r is built in the traditional AR-15 footprint, and uses the AR-15 bolt carrier group and 5.55NATO/.223Rem bolt. For hunting get a top of the line Kimber or Remington and save a ton of money as opposed to buying this toy. It just WRECKS whatever it hits. Thats because Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat appreciates the terminal effect of the old .30-30 Winchester, but also enjoys the popular AR-15. Note not only the significant wound channel, but that a big chunk of his shoulder bone is smashed through as well. The 150gr SST bullet punched right though the 250lb boars spine and kept on going. There are many different kinds of pistols out there, and whats right for one person might not be right for you. Redding Reloading Adds Die Set for 300 Ham'r | An Official Journal Of 300 HAM'R is a new proprietary round from Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat. Bigger bullets going faster certainly dont hurt, but if all emphasis is on bullet performance, then none is on shooter performance. We had to set them down on a couple of occasions because the hand guards got too hot to hold. The 300 Blackout was designed for use in AR-15 rifles, while the 300 Ham R was designed for bolt-action rifles. HAM'R Time - Hard-Hitting Horsepower for Your AR - Guns and Ammo For hunters, that means +400 ft./lbs. 300 HAMR is a new proprietary round from Bill Wilson of Wilson Combat. Bill says its been dropping Arkansas wild hogs like bad habits. hell even a damn SCAR is cheaper than this thing! The Hamr shoots a Hornady 150-grain SST to a muzzle velocity of 2,240 fps with 1,671 ft-lbs. The 300 Hamr wins handily. He then shot 3 of the 125gr SBT 300 Hamr rounds. . Thats with an 18 barrel, making this a semi-auto rifle that is more accurate, just as powerful, and actually weighs less than my Winchester 1894 lever guns. This is not a heavyweight rifle. Nov 25, 2021. Both have merits. With the new 300 Hamr, he may very well be the first to actually get it right. Will stick to .308 and .300BLK, surplus, popularity, and availability win my money. But. Maybe they can sell them to all the well to do liberals leaving California, tired of writing this!!! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. A simple barrel swap will put you into a select group of demanding riflemen. Or will it work with pmags? Bill has also had great field results with the Speer 130- and 150-grain Hot-Cors. Jones sent me one of his .300 Whisper uppers and a set of dies. Yours isnt magically more powerful. Shoulder angle is 30 degrees. Hell, Ive been paying them for about 15 years now. Youll see the 300 Hamrs case length is longer than the 300BLK. I always thought about how a slightly longer 7.6239 would be pretty cool. Accuracy is flat out amazing. Recoil Test: .300 HAM'R vs .30-30 WIN Wilson Combat 360K subscribers Subscribe 481 21K views 4 years ago Bill Wilson and Ken Hackathorn discuss the advantages of being able to equal the. Magazine Note: Yes, a standard 5.56/.223 magazine usually functions just fine and dandy. But is that enough for yet another cartridge? Bill took his 45 bull later that afternoon . Some of my post is a reply to yours, other parts are a reply to other posts in this thread and yet other parts are general information for any readers coming down the line to look at 300HAM'R results on the Hide. Mag. (Wilson Combat recently introduced a new magazine that will work with the 5.56, the Blackout, and the HAMR.) If you are buying commercial, not much out there is cheaper than surplus steel case 7.62X39. $3650. But at this time its still a reloaders cartridge. The Wilson Combat .458 HAM'R Tactical Hunter As mentioned, the .458 SOCOM was designed around the AR-15 platform, and to change pressure ratings would require a change in rifle design. a real PITA to detail clean an AR after an accidental mud bath. Not for me. DZ, very interesting information. At 500 yards, a 308 zeroed for 200 yards with a 165 grain bullet will need 47.7 of correction while the 300 win mag will only need 38.7. Throwback Thursday: 5 Long-Slide Pistols I Can't Live Without. With the .300 Blackout, which was designed to fire both super and subsonic ammunition, the twist rate is a compromise. None of this was totally surprising, since one of the virtues of the .30-30s moderate muzzle velocities has always been consistent bullet performance on big game. As I had no desire to be shot by the other folks on the line, or to stop the shooting, I wasnt able to precisely measure my groups at those ranges. But thats only true for some loads with some bullet weights, and even then, just practically. Indeed, those cartridges do come close to the .30-30 Win, and for that reason Ive felt completely comfortable taking the deer and pigs in my area with both of those cartridges. How does this compare to the 350 legend? A metal grip frame, slide ports and a red dot cut are just some of the new features. With practice and the right load it can hit hard enough to take deer sized game out to 300 yards Im not taking a shot longer than that with the naked eye. Some of that no doubt results from the excellent Wilson Combat match-grade barrel. Marlin for the win. I know, Ive used them. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Veteran, army medic, proud Texas son. yes a .44 mag is fine for elk within common sense restraints. The .300 HAM'R rifles and barrels are available in 16.25-inch, 18-inch and 20-inch lengths with different profiles. I personally get 2200FPS with an 8.5 barrel with that load, so I know their data is correct. I can't remember, I'd have to unlock the ammo cabinet and look at one of the labels on one of the cans. of energy, compared to the Hornady Black 110-grain V-Max at 2,395 fps MV and 1,401 ft-lbs. #A300HMR-130-HC, 150gr Hornady SST Simple swap. The .300 Blackout (center) and the .300 HAMR (right) are both AR-15 compatible, .30-caliber cartridges, designed to offer a level of performance unobtainable with the .223 Remington (left). KIRAAT FARKLILIKLARININ TEFSRE ETKS - Academia.edu No animal Ive shot with the 300 HAMR has needed a follow up shot. What do you think of 300 HAMR? God bless Texas, I love this place, BUTit appears these photos were taken in Australia. Lancer, Magpul, and D&H Tactical all make 300BLK magazines. DY, if you are only limiting yourself to the 110gr round, there is little benefit to the 300 Hamr. So, you can think of it as 300 blackout on steroids. Bullet seating was interesting as I had to use my Hornady 300 BLK seating die and "feel" when I contacted the case shoulder without crushing the case. I currently have a 300 HAM'R on order (ordered late 09/2020, told 3 to 4 months lead time, going on 5 months now). Though it was often touted that its supersonic ammunition was the equal of the .30-30 Winchester, hunters soon found out that was not the case. The Bill Wilson Ranch Rifle package that I hunted with weighs in at only 6lbs 2oz, empty. Its published data. Theyve already sold a lot more than 20. How does the rifle and round perform on larger game, something like a big pig, in the really real world? The 300 HAM'R from Wilson Combat is intended to be the ideal hog/deer cartridge for use in the AR-15 and offers a step up in performance over the 300 Blackout. Our black multi-caliber AR magazine has a unique tube design that ensures superb function between 5.56 NATO, .223, 300 Blackout and 300 HAM'R ammunition. 125gr Sierra SBT PH #2120 (the all around choice, achieves maximum velocity, accurate and deadly) Both the 308 and 300 have good kicks as the 300 and the 308 can boast of a force at least 20ft.lbs. Review: Hi-Point JXP 10mm An Overgrown Yeet Canon That's a Lot of Fun! Lovers will love and Haters are going to hate. Start load: 25.0gr A1680 or 26.0gr H CFEBLK Havent even tried CFE Black yet. I feel some forget shot placement. After waiting quite some time for all the parts to come in (barrel came in quick BTW), I finally got my 300 HAMR built using the Wilson Ranch 18 Barrel with Intermediate (13.25) length gas tube. The 300 Hamr cartridge is over 10 years in the making. 4. It was designed for killing/hunting with energy equal to 30-30 in an AR. Hands-down this is the round that should have been developed in front of the blackout. Like every Wilson Combat gun Ive reviewed, all of the rifles chambered for 300 Hamr I shot exhibited excellent fit and finish. Maximum cartridge length is 2.260 inchesthe same as for the .223 Rem. So both rounds printed multiple five-round groups under 1, I just cant verify how far under 1 at this time. The .300 Hamr has noticeable velocity and energy advantages over factory .300 Blackout rounds at the muzzle. energy at the muzzle. However, from a supersonic standpoint, where rifles are used to stop big critters or bad guys, the .300 HAMR is a much better option. 30-30 occupies a sweet spot between power and shootability. Velocity range 2500 2600FPS, Sierra 125gr SBT PH #2120, 2.245 OAL I read your whole post. MSRP: $3,650. But I dont mind working a b olt or a le ver, so I just dont see the point, I guess. A piezoelectric pressure laboratory did a bunch of testing with various powders, eventually settling on 58,000 psi as maximum, about halfway between the .223 Remington and 5.56 NATO. The .300 HAMR also has a magazine capacity advantage over the 6.8 thanks to its somewhat thinner case body. The .300 Blackout had several things going for it. It works as advertised, Way out of my price range. Max load: 27.5gr A1680 or 28gr H CFEBLK 2600 FPS Resume coffee. The results were, at least on paper, very impressive. From that, the result is an easy +300 feet per second beyond Blackout with 110-135-grain-range .308 bullets, which means a solid 2600+ fps with a 110-grain. I need to get behind one of the newest Marlin guns. Most game drops at spot of the hit. Per second is their. Unfortunately, I still cant get much past 50 yards around here due to the remnants of biblical-level flooding this past season, but my groups from that distance with this HAMR were about the size of one shot from a .45. Likewise, the .300 Hamr beats the 7.6239 in a 16.25-inch barrel. The Nosler 125-grain AccuBond penetrated 8 inches and retained 78 percent of its weight. Magazine Capacity: 5/10/20/30 Rounds Is the case wider? Multiple finishes are available. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. To find the answer, the key is to know what you want to do with your AR-15. So he chambered an AR15 in the 30 Apache (from the 1970s) and rebranded it as the hammer; Right? At the weights that match I have the 110 gr 30-30 matching the 300 in velocity. The test rifle was a Lightweight Hunter equipped with a Trijicon 3-9x 40mm AccuPoint scope, one of five Wilson AR-15 models offered in .300 HAMR. It's been about 3 years since I've had to load .300BLK or 5.56 (divorce, move, surgeries so I didn't shoot as much over this time frame). Do note, I prefer a low comb height, so those of you needing a high cheek piece might do better using something with a highercomb. Does The 6mm Creedmoor Super Sniper Hit The Mark? They have successfully matched the full capability of the venerable .30-30 Winchester with a lightweight AR-15 rifle. 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